Salix Design

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Re: Salix Design

Post by gapan » 12. Dec 2021, 09:39

OK, that looks nice.

What I don't like is the "fat" taskbar. Monitors are much wider than they are tall, so vertical space is at a premium. Also, there are usability issues:
1. it is much harder to hit that 40x40 (or 50x50, doesn't matter) tile, than the approx. 200x32 tile that includes the app name, as the default in 14.2.
2. having the app name in the taskbar makes it easier to understand which app is which.
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Re: Salix Design

Post by missTell » 12. Dec 2021, 16:52

gapan wrote:
12. Dec 2021, 09:39
OK, that looks nice.
Thanks.
gapan wrote:
12. Dec 2021, 09:39
What I don't like is the "fat" taskbar. Monitors are much wider than they are tall, so vertical space is at a premium.
Well ... either one places the taskbar (Windows-like) at the bottom, or one places it on the left.

There is also the function called "Auto-hide", if the taskbar height / width is the issue.
gapan wrote:
12. Dec 2021, 09:39
1. it is much harder to hit that 40x40 (or 50x50, doesn't matter) tile, than the approx.
200x32 tile that includes the app name, as the default in 14.2.
2. having the app name in the taskbar makes it easier to understand which app is which.
Yes and no ...

Yes, you are right, of course, but as I said, there is no 'one for all' solution.

My mum would surely prefer "fat" taskbar with a tile that includes app name, but she has never more than web browser and evtl. office app open.

On the other side, imagine something like this:

https://ibb.co/0KLSGpt

Every dot / small square over the icon is one instance, double dot is multiple instances (two or more).

The obvious advantage of those tiny tiles, one can see here:

https://ibb.co/VM7g6qV

How one can fit the tiles WITH name on the taskbar, when there is even not enough space for the open applications without the name?

Speaking about "Xfce is broken", please check what happens if one continues opening new apps (system area / clock):

https://ibb.co/2NX1XXb

Science can't answer all of the questions, and also not "to put the name beside the tile, or not, the question is now" ...

As of the taskbar size itself, Windows uses 40 Px as default, Mint uses 36 Px and Astra 48 Px.

https://ibb.co/1G1RK9K

However, the size of 1 Pixel is not absolute as 1 meter; it is relative to the size of the screen (dpi / ppi).

Imagine a Full HD (1920 x 1080 Px) screen and 12.5, 13.3 14, 15.6, 17, 21, 22, 23, 24 and 27-inch screens, as used on Laptops and desktop.

It's really hard to poke on that 'microscopic tiny' 40 x 40 Px tile on 13.3'', but it's perfect on 24'', and kinda too big on 27''.

Neither here, the science can tell you, if you can or can't see it, or if it feels too tiny or huge to you ...

Usability (as science) can answer many questions, but some will stay personal.
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Re: Salix Design

Post by missTell » 13. Dec 2021, 08:08

gapan wrote:
12. Dec 2021, 09:39
Monitors are much wider than they are tall, so vertical space is at a premium.
https://ibb.co/zZYs88N

https://ibb.co/DpJB9Zt

https://ibb.co/VgDchv6

https://ibb.co/Gv2hjWb
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Re: Salix Design

Post by missTell » 13. Dec 2021, 09:00

gapan wrote:
12. Dec 2021, 09:39
What I don't like is the "fat" taskbar.
Apropos "fat" ... Now, this IS fat.

https://www.heise.de/select/ct/2021/26/ ... riante.png
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Re: Salix Design

Post by missTell » 13. Dec 2021, 10:35

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Re: Salix Design

Post by hakerdefo » 6. Feb 2022, 19:57

Those are good but honestly speaking not something that a distro should go with by default. That vertical panel design is not every user's cup of tea . Defaults should be sensible and a tad boring.

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Re: Salix Design

Post by hakerdefo » 6. Feb 2022, 20:40

Okay, here are my general suggestions regarding artwork in upcoming release of Salix 15.

GTK2/3/XFWM theme => Greybird => https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
Icon theme 1 => Papirus => https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTe ... con-theme/
Icon theme 2 => elementary-xfce => https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce
LibreOffice icons => https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/refs ... ntary_svg/
Font => IBM Plex => https://www.ibm.com/plex/

I've not mentioned Adwaita theme as it is going to get included as dependency of GTK3 anyway.

A few nice wallpapers with open culture license,
https://search.openverse.engineering/im ... 945342f053
https://search.openverse.engineering/im ... b363b1d703
https://search.openverse.engineering/im ... 1696b7cba2
https://search.openverse.engineering/im ... 26aff2422c
https://search.openverse.engineering/im ... 7941b92b61

I hope this will be useful to gapan and the team Salix.

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Re: Salix Design

Post by missTell » 24. Mar 2022, 07:11

Greybird theme??? In 2022???
Suggestion here was about modernizing, not about 'vintageizing'...
Windows 2000 Linux theme adaptation and a 'Windows 95 style'-like wallpapers?
Also, nobody cares for the 'open culture license', or for the license at all, if the images are bad.
Better buy one high-quality image and buy the license, then use something awful just because it's 'open culture'.

https://ibb.co/jrjTMnt
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Re: Salix Design

Post by hakerdefo » 29. Mar 2022, 19:09

missTell wrote:
24. Mar 2022, 07:11
Greybird theme??? In 2022???
Suggestion here was about modernizing, not about 'vintageizing'...
Windows 2000 Linux theme adaptation and a 'Windows 95 style'-like wallpapers?
Also, nobody cares for the 'open culture license', or for the license at all, if the images are bad.
Better buy one high-quality image and buy the license, then use something awful just because it's 'open culture'.

https://ibb.co/jrjTMnt
I have a perfectly valid and logical answer to what you just said but then I see your signature and decide against writing it!

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Re: Salix Design

Post by Artim » 30. Mar 2022, 07:07

My gosh, Miss Tell! Can you not use any image you wish for your wallpaper? I have a huge collection of favorites that I use and change whenever the mood strikes me. Same goes for themes if you don't like Greybird. The new Salix will offer lots more in the way of improvements to Xfce.

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