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Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 2. Jun 2010, 13:49
by mimosa
Model: ATA WDC WD1600AAJS-0 (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 160GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos
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Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
1 32.3kB 8423MB 8423MB primary ntfs
3 8423MB 9517MB 1094MB primary linux-swap(v1)
2 9525MB 160GB 151GB extended boot, lba
5 9525MB 56.2GB 46.6GB logical fat32
11 56.2GB 61.5GB 5379MB logical linux-swap(v1)
9 61.5GB 66.9GB 5355MB logical ext3
10 66.9GB 70.6GB 3652MB logical ext3
13 70.6GB 73.4GB 2821MB logical ext3
12 73.4GB 74.0GB 633MB logical linux-swap(v1)
6 74.0GB 80.0GB 5996MB logical reiserfs
7 80.0GB 155GB 74.6GB logical ext2
8 155GB 160GB 5446MB logical ext3
tim@tim-desktop:~$
This was done inside Ubuntu Lucid. One change is that partition 13 is now Ubuntu 9.04 rather than swap - installing it was the only way I could get grub back. My installed version of Salix won't work any more because it can't find its /home. Goodness knows what I have done to my setup with my fiddling. There's no rush because there are still several distros installed on it that work fine, but in the end I think I'll wipe all of it except for Windows and start again
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 2. Jun 2010, 15:07
by Akuna
It doesn't seem to jive with the info you provided previously, is it possible that you changed your partition layout between the time you gave me fdisk -l & parted /dev/sda print? (there is now more partitions, not just some different formatting, for example the /dev/sda13 you mentioned was not on your original fdisk -l)
If so can you give me fdisk -l again? (I'm trying to reproduce your 'exotic' layout on a test machine)
Thanks
Actually, the ideal would be to run both fdisk -l & parted /dev/sda print from SalixLive CD, to ensure you provide these infos with the very same syntaxe that salix-live-installer would get from the LiveCD.
Also, in order to help me try to reproduce your problem, can you tell me more details about each of the partitions you attempt to setup at each different stage, like for the main Salix partition, then for the extra Linux partitions, then the Windows partitions, whether you leave some unset or not, etc... the more details will be the best.
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 2. Jun 2010, 15:37
by mimosa
Yes, I had some unallocated space that I turned into swap partitions because I got the idea the unallocated space might be causing the problem. Then I installed Ubuntu 9.04 in one of these as a simple way of restoring grub after somehow losing it.
For now, here is the output of fdisk -l within Ubuntu 10.4. Next time I boot the Live version, I'll run these again and post - but I imagine the results will be the same.
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Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000e7729
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 1 1024 8225248+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2 * 1158 19458 146988413+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda3 1025 1157 1068322+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda5 1159 6829 45552307+ b W95 FAT32
/dev/sda6 8999 9727 5855661 83 Linux
/dev/sda7 9728 18795 72838678+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda8 18796 19458 5318656 83 Linux
/dev/sda9 7484 8134 5229126 83 Linux
/dev/sda10 8135 8578 3566398+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda11 6830 7483 5253223+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda12 8922 8998 618471 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda13 8579 8921 2755116 83 Linux
Partition table entries are not in disk order
For the record, this is what's in the anonymous partitions:
sda1 XP
sda5 Windows data partition
sda9 Salix (not working)
sda13 Ubuntu 9.04
sda6 OpenSuse 11.4 (not working)
sda7 Linux data partition
sda8 Ubuntu 10.4
I think sda10 is Salix's /home - which it now can't find. I set up sda7 as /home of both Ubuntu 10.4 and OpenSUSE, but this doesn't really work as it seems to include user settings as well as data. However both OSs were working until my experiments with the Salix installer!
To recap, until I reinstalled grub from Ubuntu 9.04, Gparted in Salix was not recognising my new partitions; after I turned off swap and unmounted all partitions from the command line, it cycled through the ones it did recognise trying to mount them and saying it couldn't because I wasn't root (I think that's what it said). Grub legacy fixed that and recognised all my OSs (though it thinks Salix is Slackware), but the problem with the installer remained.
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 2. Jun 2010, 15:53
by Akuna
OK, thanks, that gives me enough to get started.
This is the setup on my test machine, trying to match yours as much as possible:
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root[one]# LANG=C fdisk -l
Disk /dev/hda: 82.3 GB, 82348277760 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 10011 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x35c135c0
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 1 1275 10241406 7 HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda2 * 1403 10011 69151792+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda3 1276 1402 1020127+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda5 1403 2613 9727326 83 Linux
/dev/hda6 2614 2677 514048+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda7 2678 3888 9727326 83 Linux
/dev/hda8 3889 5099 9727326 83 Linux
/dev/hda9 5100 6310 9727326 83 Linux
/dev/hda10 6311 6374 514048+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda11 6375 7649 10241406 83 Linux
/dev/hda12 7650 8892 9984366 83 Linux
/dev/hda13 8893 10011 8988336 83 Linux
Partition table entries are not in disk order
Disk /dev/hdb: 10.2 GB, 10248118272 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1245 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x33c55486
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hdb1 1 1245 10000431 b W95 FAT32
root[one]# LANG=C parted /dev/hda print
Model: HDS722580VLAT20 (ide)
Disk /dev/hda: 82.3GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
Partition Table: msdos
Number Start End Size Type File system Flags
1 32.3kB 10.5GB 10.5GB primary ntfs
3 10.5GB 11.5GB 1045MB primary linux-swap
2 11.5GB 82.3GB 70.8GB extended boot, lba
5 11.5GB 21.5GB 9961MB logical ext2
6 21.5GB 22.0GB 526MB logical linux-swap
7 22.0GB 32.0GB 9961MB logical ext3
8 32.0GB 41.9GB 9961MB logical ext3
9 41.9GB 51.9GB 9961MB logical ext3
10 51.9GB 52.4GB 526MB logical linux-swap
11 52.4GB 62.9GB 10.5GB logical reiserfs
12 62.9GB 73.1GB 10.2GB logical ext3
13 73.1GB 82.3GB 9204MB logical ext3
And yes! I am now able to reproduce your problem.
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 2. Jun 2010, 18:32
by Akuna
OK, this package should fix the problem, can you try it & let me know?
http://people.salixos.org/akuna/livetoo ... h-1plb.txz
EDIT:
Actually this new installer is designed for SalixLive 13.1 & is not compatible with SalixLive 13.0, so you won't easily be able to perform a full install with it. But at least you will be able to ensure that the configuration of your partitions is being set up properly.
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 2. Jun 2010, 20:42
by Akuna
Now if you can see that the partition bug is fixed & you really wanted to use this new installer to install Salix from your SalixLive USB key the procedure would be to downlod both the new installer & the new salixtools (this is not to be done in a live session but prior to booting on your SalixLive USB key) :
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wget http://people.salixos.org/akuna/livetools/liveinstaller/svn/20100602/salix-live-installer-0.2.1-noarch-1plb.txz
wget http://download.salixos.org/i486/13.0/salix/ap/salixtools-0.9.9.1-noarch-1gv.txz
Then explode these two downloaded packages to the rootcopy directory of your SalixLive USB key :
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spkg --root=/media/NameOfYourSalixLiveUsbKey/salixlive/rootcopy salixtools-0.9.9.1-noarch-1gv.txz
spkg --root=/media/NameOfYourSalixLiveUsbKey/salixlive/rootcopy salix-live-installer-0.2.1-noarch-1plb.txz
EDIT(04/06)
Now copy the new SalixTools to this 'special' directory, to ensure it will be transferred to the new install partition:
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cp salixtools-0.9.9.1-noarch-1gv.txz /media/NameOfYourSalixLiveUsbKey/packages/std-kernel
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Then boot on your USB key & normally the installer should work out of the box.
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 2. Jun 2010, 21:26
by mimosa
Hi Akuna,
I switched off swap and unmounted all partitions as before, as well as updating salixtools- however I couldn\t install or update the downloaded file
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root[one]# upgradepkg /home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2-noarch-1plb.txz
ERROR: Package file does not exist. (/home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2-noarch-1plb.txz)
ERROR: Package upgrade failed!
root[one]# install /home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2-noarch-1plb.txzinstall: missing destination file operand after `/home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2-noarch-1plb.txz'
Try `install --help' for more information.
root[one]# installpkg /home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2-noarch-1plb.txz
ERROR: Package file does not exist. (/home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2-noarch-1plb.txz)
ERROR: Package installation failed!
root[one]#
Have I missed a step somewhere ...
As for (re)installing for real (probably the simplest option after the mess I have made), I can do that from the install cd using Unetbootin, or I might wait for 13.1 to be released.
I still can\t get over the quality in Salix you see in the attention to detail. For instance just now I set up wireless on the live version, for the twentieth time. Normally I would click on Properties or something to tell it the preshared key, but I pretended I didn\t know how it worked and just clicked on connect. Most distros would just give an error message incomprehensible to the ignorant, but salix opens a window prompting me for the missing information. It looks as if you have really thought through the problems a total beginner would have. It\s this type of thing that puts people off in the very first stages where they are dissatisfied with Windows and have downloaded some live cd, with no knowledge of Linux to speak of.
Even further off topic, but a small point. Would it be worth including more keyboard layout options where this is prompted for after language ... I know a much fuller selection is available once Salix has loaded, but perhaps it\s unnecessary to wait till then.
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 3. Jun 2010, 06:37
by Akuna
mimosa wrote:Code: Select all
root[one]# upgradepkg /home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2-noarch-1plb.txz
ERROR: Package file does not exist. (/home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2-noarch-1plb.txz)
ERROR: Package upgrade failed!
mimosa, you have to adapt the above command to the new version number of the installer (version went from 0.2 to 0.2.1). So if you donwloaded the new package in /home/one/Download directory, the new syntax would be:
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upgradepkg /home/one/Download/salix-live-installer-0.2.1-noarch-1plb.txz
(Now, if you used another language than English, Download/ would probably be translated & you would have to change that as well. So basically you simply have to adapt the above syntax to reflect your actual environment.)
Sometimes when beginning with the command line, opening a file manager like Thunar on the side can help to visualize things by comparing paths, directories & files with the terminal... in fact, you could even use both by simply typing upgradepg in the the terminal, leave a space & then drag & drop the downloaded package from Thunar to the terminal window to ensure your syntax is completely accurate & fit your situation.
To avoid syntax error --and drudgery typing-- you could also simply use Bash autocompletion, where you just put the beginning of a path to a file & press on tab for Bash to autocomplete the word for you based on what is really present in your environment.
http://www.slackwiki.org/Bash_Autocompletion
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 3. Jun 2010, 07:15
by Akuna
mimosa wrote:salix opens a window prompting me for the missing information. It looks as if you have really thought through the problems a total beginner would have.
Actually the credit for this behavior rightfully belongs to Wicd Network Manager's developers who are definitely doing a great job.
Even further off topic, but a small point. Would it be worth including more keyboard layout options where this is prompted for after language ... I know a much fuller selection is available once Salix has loaded, but perhaps it\s unnecessary to wait till then.
Are you talking about the LiveCD? If so which language would you like? We are including all the ones that we find translators for.
If you want to contribute, you could do so here:
http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/sal ... -bootmenu/
Instructions are here:
http://www.salixos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4151#p4151
Re: problem installing from live cd 13.0
Posted: 3. Jun 2010, 10:37
by mimosa
I did look at the two filenames to see if they were the same name ... but obviously not hard enough. I'll have another go soon.
Yes, I put wicd in my ubuntu instead of network manager ... but still, it was a good choice on your part! And I could give other examples.
Regarding keyboard layouts, my own is Brazilian Portuguese (several variants exist, but the "native" and most common layout is br-abnt; it is quite different from the Portuguese from Portugal keyboard). But in general, there are a lot of people out there who either speak non-mainstream languages or are using their keyboards (in this case though, there are far more Portuguese speakers in Brazil than in Portugal, so if you were going to have just one, the logical choice would be the former), and many distros including I think Slackware deal with this by having a very long list of options right at the beginning of boot/install, presumably on the grounds that you might want to use the command line at an early stage if you run into problems as well as to avoid the user having to look for the layout settings once their live cd has booted.