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In the year 2006 knew the KateOS, liked me a lot. Between the comments on her repeated one that said that it was the ubuntu of Slackware. The adventure of KateOS finished prompt. Today use Salix that does me come in command that sentence: the ubuntu of Slackware.
What think of that? You agree or no? It is good or bad? It has to Salix fix in Ubuntu to learn of his tarpaulins and errors or his way is another?

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En el año 2006 conocí la distro KateOS, me agradó mucho. Entre los comentarios sobre ella se repetía uno que decía que era la ubuntu de Slackware. La aventura de KateOS acabó pronto. Hoy uso Salix que me hace venir a la cabeza aquella frase: la ubuntu de Slackware.
¿Qué pensáis al respecto? ¿Estáis de acuerdo o no? ¿Es bueno o malo? ¿Debe Salix fijarse en Ubuntu para aprender de sus aciertos y errores o su camino es otro?

autogestion wrote:What think of that? You agree or no?

I wanted to say the same, but I thing that a Salix OS based distro with some really snobbish stuff should be named "The ubuntu of Slackware" it is more like a Debian of Slackware but these two are independent, each, so it will be silly to call Salix OS like that (=The debian of Slackware).

autogestion wrote:It is good or bad?

It's good for a campaign for Salix OS

P/s. I used ubuntu GNU/Linux as my first distro, because of the extra drivers support out of the box, that's all.

zAchAry wrote:It's good for a campaign for Salix OS

No, I don't want Salix to be related in any way to Ubuntu

thenktor wrote:

zAchAry wrote:It's good for a campaign for Salix OS

No, I don't want Salix to be related in any way to Ubuntu

Same for me.

JRD wrote:

thenktor wrote:

zAchAry wrote:It's good for a campaign for Salix OS

No, I don't want Salix to be related in any way to Ubuntu

Same for me.

I agree to that too

What is Ubuntu? For instance, read about that brand new idea from Mark S. to have its own font:
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/537

And that has nothing to do with Salix OS or Slackware at all

JRD wrote:

thenktor wrote:

zAchAry wrote:It's good for a campaign for Salix OS

No, I don't want Salix to be related in any way to Ubuntu

Same for me.

Personally, I really don't care. But I tend to be uneasy with any kind of easy 'name' bashing. What should really matter after all is not who but what is right or wrong.

In all fairness Ubuntu probably does some things right as well as some things wrong, just like Google & others. And I think that for all its supposed faults Ubuntu must have done quite a bit of right to be where it is at today in such a short time. Some may dismiss it & talk about the money or Debian or whatever behind it, but if that was true, then quite a few commercial distros that had the same perceived advantages should have made it too & they didn't, instead they just flopped & disappeared into oblivion.

I actually think Mark Shuttleworth must quite a nice guy, after all he really didn't have to put his millions into Linux the way he did. So I tend to be bewildered when I see him & Ubuntu often being put down in the same fashion that Bill Gate & M$ or Steve Job & Apple do. If other new IT millionaires deserved popular ire, I would put the ones behind Facebook, or even Google, way before him. Let's please give the man a break (not that anyone here bashed him, but I've often noticed it seemed to be an easy & regular sport in some columns or forum.)

I personally do not feel comfortable in a general way with most Debian based distro & overall find them sluggish & that is the main reason why I do not fancy Ubuntu. But nonetheless it does have some qualities. And if there was one common point between Ubuntu & the much maligned M$ & Apple, it is the effort being made towards the ease of use for the end user. And what is wrong with that? So long as the architecture of the system underneath is not flawed, what is wrong with having desktop ease of use?

In fact even Salix is maligned or simply despised in some 'purist' Slackware circle, because we endeavor to bring ease of use to the end user. The only difference between Slackware & SalixOS is: out of the box localization, package dependencies plus some native GUI & ncurse tools for easy system administration. If that was not designed to bring ease of use, what was it for?

So, I'm afraid that as long as our main goal is to bring ease of use to Slackware, we can't help being compared with Ubuntu which made itself known by bringing ease of use to Debian. What we could simply bring up however is that yes, in a similar fashion, one of our main goal is to bring ease of use, yet all the while scrupulously keeping the KISS architecture of Slackware system underneath untouched & pure.

And from what I understand, in this last but crucial point we may be very different from Ubuntu.

But as far as us initiating some sort of a campaign based on this analogy, like my comrades, I would say certainly not. The main problem with Ubuntu is way too much Ubuntu! Plus we are not trying to copy anyone much less Ubuntu. We are simply trying to address a real need: ally a sound lean & clean Linux system with a user-friendly interface.

Akuna wrote:But I tend to be uneasy with any kind of easy 'name' bashing.

It's not name bashing. It's just the fact that we do things in a completly different way than Ubuntu and even Debian does. And I love the Slackware/Salix way and don't like the Debian/Ubuntu way. That's the reason I don't want to be compared to Ubuntu.

Nobody spoke about Shuttleworth so don't do it Akuna.

What I dislike of being compared to Ubuntu is for the same reason as thenktor. Salix/Slackware is way different from Debian (or Ubunutu), so it's pointless in saying "Salix: The Ubuntu of Slackware?".
It's just that Ubuntu is apparently the most famous Linux distro. So people tends to compare with what they know the most.
But perhaps the sentence could be understand as "Salix brings easy configuration to Slackware the same way Ubuntu brings it to Debian".

JRD wrote:Nobody spoke about Shuttleworth so don't do it Akuna.

And why not? If the subject is related to Ubuntu, why can't we digress about the man behind Ubuntu? I believe my statement was aptly circumstanced. I did care to mention that no one here did bash him. However I was probably too wordy, so you may have missed it.

I could be wrong, but I feel that being so quick to distance ourselves from Ubuntu without any explanation is akin to pooh poohing it as seems to be the fashion in certain circles & I personally don't want to monkey that. Yet the question must have some merit since this is not the first time I heard this analogy, therefore it is important to give some real explanation as to why it is not really so & why we do not find it actually desirable. Whether anyone of us like it or not this is not the first nor the last time we will hear that analogy, so we might as well address it openly & correctly rather than shooing it under the rug hoping it will not pop up again.

I hope you did notice we are actually in complete agreement as to the bottom of the matter?

Simply on the form I prefer explanations rather than being dismissive.