Salix 15.0RC4

[missTell]

1. A pencil or a leaf?

Come on, you should know better. One is the generic "text-editor" icon, the other one is the l3afpad specific icon.

EXACTLY!

So, you either quit fiddling, or you do it properly.

Either you take generic and replace all other specific ones, or you take specific, and get rid of all generic ones.

Example:
I have an Enlightenment install, and that IS a nightmare when some icon is missing, as it is all in a binary format -- will say, you'd have to decompile it to get the icon, and then recompile it to inject it back ... but the shit does recognize the pixmaps folder icons too, and that means -- make a screenshot, open up Inkscape (or Adobe Illustrator ) and make a fresh new icon -- if you care ...

https://ibb.co/KqDVpJF

Shall I make you one new L3afpad icon for all sizes?

2. Whatever changes you did to that 'All Applications' & 'Recently Used', they (negatively) affect all other icon sets ...

Whiskermenu now uses the "applications-all" and "default-folder-recent" icons for those. You icon sets need to provide those.

Tell that to my mum and all other 'hobby distrohoppers' which will get 'super-customizable' nightmare upon install.

Kinda, another antiX / MX "junkstribution" on the horizon ...

3. I DID answer "31" (4@30 panel) ... for a reason. ...

Yes, and your arguments weren't very convincing. No matter what the defaults are, there is a course that will lead to "broken" behavior. So, I settled for this. If someone changes the panel height, they can also change the tray icon height too.

What more "convincing" argument one can have, except of ONLY 31 LOOKS RIGHT???

Let apart that it still shows something at all, if a user decides to set somewhat taller panel ...

Not everybody has a time and will to do the research on Xfce quirks, and solve the problems that arrive from "freedom and flexibility".

Xfce is by far the worst thing one could get in 2022 ...

4. Desktop "I want more information" pop-up:

You WON'T get more information, but you WILL GET a VERY UGLY desktop. Dot. (no com)

You won't get more information if you hover over that icon, but do it on an image or a pdf and you will.

Than make it different for the desktop and for all the rest!

On the desktop it looks uglier then ugly.

BTW, that function wasn't meant to be a replacement for opening the PDF file in a proper viewer ...

- System area icons left and right, and the pager in between. That looks ugly, and it breaks the system area logic ...

There are no system icons to the right of the pager. And I have already provided the reasoning behind this: the pager doesn't move around when adding/removing tray items.

You provided NO VALID reasoning is the issue here.

No one on Earth cares if the pager (which they won't use anyway) is moving, and I also explained you how to position it properly, so 'it won't move'.

https://ibb.co/P973cSm

- No 'energy / battery' on the panel (which most people need), but 4 pager windows (which almost nobody needs, but occupy 1/6th of panel space).

4 virtual desktops is the minimum that I could consider using.

"YOU" is the issue here ...

Are you building a "freakstribution" for a couple of forum-freaks, or are you building an OS for the "human beings"?

In the first case, everything is allowed -- even the all-dark appearance, or some shitty, distracting white panel with a blue window frames ... most users will be forced to instantly change the defaults, or will give up, which is the contrary of what one would actually want, if one cared ...

Since I'm a 'good freak' and a VD user too (I'm not using Xfce in the first place) ...

I do not configure my Xfce like this (for the obvious reason):

https://ibb.co/K01MX3K

... and I also explained you how to position it properly, so 'it won't move'.

One can also do other things, when preconfiguring the distri for the 1%:

https://ibb.co/R7GmMCF

https://ibb.co/5TLZpSQ

https://ibb.co/3B04ZBf

Learn from KDE defaults!

BTW, only Gnome does manage VD's in a usable manner ...

6. While making a new IceWM theme, I noticed one other issue related to 'defaults' ... Icons, Themes, GTK 2/3/4, XDG Environments etc. ...
Maybe it's just me, or the Slackware, don't know, but the fact is, some things do not work as expected.

I'm guessing that you need to start your icewm session with dbus-launch. Not really sure.

I hoped you'd have some idea ...

https://people.salixos.org/misstell/VMs ... racula.ova

Some screenshots and wallpapers are coming, and some IceWM themes, but, I also have no time for everything.

One thing after the other ...

[missTell]

I tend to agree [that] small details that make a difference but I think overall Salix looks reasonably well done.

Definitely, BUT, 'better' is not good enough, if you have a potential to make it 'even better' (really good!) ...

Seems like a potential wasted ...

I think it should have some programs instead of others (more Xfce centric like mousepad instead of l3afpad, etc..) but [...]

Definitely, BUT, unfortunately Mousepad is kind of 'dead horse' (a bit like Xfce itself) ...

[gapan]

I have added an upgrade path from 14.2 to 15.0 in the wiki: https://docs.salixos.org/wiki/How_to_up ... .2_to_15.0

[SalixManiac]

Post by gapan » 29. Aug 2022, 17:14
4 virtual desktops is the minimum that I could consider using.

Hello gapan
a little trick to put as many virtual desktops as you want, with a dashboard auto-hide.

[gapan]

Post by gapan » 29. Aug 2022, 17:14
4 virtual desktops is the minimum that I could consider using.

Hello gapan
a little trick to put as many virtual desktops as you want, with a dashboard auto-hide.

And then have it pop up every time I want to scroll the page. No, thanks.

[hugok]

I have added an upgrade path from 14.2 to 15.0 in the wiki: https://docs.salixos.org/wiki/How_to_up ... .2_to_15.0

Nice instructions

[hugok]

In https://docs.salixos.org/wiki/Repository_mirrors the http://ftp.nux.ipb.pt/dists/salix (Portugal) under HTTP doesn't work anymore

By the way http://ftp.yzu.edu.tw/Linux/salix (Taiwan) doesn't work either.

[missTell]

Post by gapan » 29. Aug 2022, 17:14
4 virtual desktops is the minimum that I could consider using.

Hello gapan
a little trick to put as many virtual desktops as you want, with a dashboard auto-hide.

And then have it pop up every time I want to scroll the page. No, thanks.

Why not double-row?
Looks clean, and it's still usable. And -- there is a mouse middle click too.

https://ibb.co/Y2zSrQg
https://ibb.co/QD02rvW
https://ibb.co/QYS7rwy

6. While making a new IceWM theme, I noticed one other issue related to 'defaults' ... Icons, Themes, GTK 2/3/4, XDG Environments etc. ...
Maybe it's just me, or the Slackware, don't know, but the fact is, some things do not work as expected.

For Dracula ... GTK-theme, icons and cursors as one and only default for all ...

First, try symlinking the whole theme directory to /usr/share/icons/default
Then, make the appropriate changes to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and
~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini files.

... AND /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.

And IceWM config files ...

Thanks!

2. Whatever changes you did to that 'All Applications' & 'Recently Used', they (negatively) affect all other icon sets ...

Whiskermenu now uses the "applications-all" and "default-folder-recent" icons for those. You icon sets need to provide those.

Yes, BUT ... 2 examples:

Newaita icon-set has "folder-recent", but is missing "default-folder-recent".
As expected, that will result in missing icon, but that's easily fixable with some sim-links.

https://ibb.co/VQPN5nQ

Default (left) upon installation, after your update (mid), and after some fiddling (right).

However, RC4 breaks the themes that were previously properly working.
BTW, did you notice that Newaita had "all-aplications"?

In case of Reversal, where the Start Menu looked perfectly fine before RC4, this is what one gets instead:

https://ibb.co/mqcG6Hb

Broken.

The thing is, that you don't want to change the Whisker icon-requests to fix the icon-issue, but you'd want to change those few icons in the icon-set instead, because now, Salix Whisker with the own set of defaults looks fine, but it breaks the other icon sets.


And when we are already talking about Xfce-Whisker-Salix-Slackware ... quirks, here is another one.

No screenshot -- it takes either a video, or (too) many single screenshots, and that's why you get a download link and a small instruction.

You're supposed to download 21 images ...

https://people.salixos.org/misstell/scr ... -issue.zip

You're supposed to watch them full screen in Ristretto ... so it's easy to go back and forth ...

You're supposed to carefully watch the cursor (left) behaviour, and the settings (right) which will help you to identify the wrong ones.
To make it easy, I did choose only two cursors -- lr_horizontal and right_diagonal double-arrows.

The very first image is the lr_horizontal "pearlgray" double-arrow, and then we switch the cursors until the 18th image ...
Some of the cursors behaved properly, some not.

Now, at the 18th image, you're supposed to check the most interesting part:

"pearlgray" works fine on Thunar (18 & 19), BUT it doesn't work properly on Whisker (20 & 21), AND, it's not only wrong, but double-wrong, as the horizontal and the diagonal cursor belong to 2 (two) different cursor sets!

For a proper issue examination, you'll have to try it yourself.

https://people.salixos.org/misstell/VMs ... 5_dark.ova

[SalixManiac]

Hello missTell,

The mouse middle click is the best alternative for me but what intrigued me is that Hapan wants 4 minimum virtual desktops, So I remembered that Google uses a lot of drag menu and that to avoid handling errors with scroll bar, their sites use a wider scrollbar (when using Firefox and a recent GTK+ theme).
My dashboard is already full with my small screen I can't lose space with a horizontal bar:
32*1920=61440pixels 44*1080=47520pixels
double-row for you it's a double line for me

But I'm just here to help Gapan because Salix 14.2 was great help for me, not to push him in a other way than his own.

[missTell]

But I'm just here to help Gapan because Salix 14.2 was great help for me, not to push him in a other way than his own.

The only reason for me to be here is to push Gapan in another direction than his own.

Salix is a great, but not so great distro.

To understand what I mean, please go and read this very short writing:

https://zenorocha.com/the-two-types-of-quality

Salix 14.2 was "atarimae hinshitsu". Yes, it did work pretty well, but ...

My goal is to make it become "miryokuteki hinshitsu", which is pretty hard, but worth trying.